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Four years in, and Suzanne Black could teach a lot of people a lot of things…especially about marketing and surviving when times get tough.

I had a chat with her about what she thinks are the keys to success, how she turns 90% of her enquiries into bookings and why albums are so important to her business.

Positivity is contagious.

Suzanne is feeling positive right now. I haven’t heard that response to a question about the state of the economy in a long time, but after chatting I’ve decided describing her as “positive” is an understatement…

She says, “In the current climate I think it’s more and more important to sell yourself to the client in a positive way. If your clients do a side-by-side comparison of packages and photographers, you’re never going to win. You’re just a number.”

Instead Suzanne believes in creating an individual identity. Focusing on building your business so people remember something about it, rather than just your price.

“It’s really important to keep a positive attitude because clients can really sense it,” Suzanne says.

“Personally I keep a really positive attitude, especially when speaking to clients and building on the relationships I already have with vendors, venues and previous clients. People can sense your attitude straight away and the last thing you want are potential clients sensing a negativity about you.”

Suzanne told me how clients tell her of other photographers they’ve seen, who never stopped talking about what everyone else was doing, or how bad the economy is right now.

“Avoid listening to all the doom and gloom out there and refuse to let negativity creep into your business.”

Good advice.

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Picking and Choosing

Suzanne started off low in terms of pricing, with the intention of building a good solid foundation to grow her business from. Four years later, grown it has. She says she’s now at the middle to high end of the market in her area in terms of pricing, but it took hard work, planning and and a specific strategy to get there.

“When I first started out I sat down and worked out which part of the wedding industry I wanted to operate in. I didn’t think I could be, nor did I want to be, all things to all people. I identified who I wanted as my target brides, and marketed specifically to them.”

With the help of CPT, Suzanne has developed some great marketing skills and defined her business brand so much that she now books nearly every client who comes to see her. Her explanation?Really knowing who my clients are and engaging with them before I meet them.”

The album’s role

Suzanne offers Queensberry albums in all of her packages. In fact, they’re key to what she offers, and she says the majority of her clients select additional images for their wedding album.

“While obviously the photography is important, I believe the final presentation of the images is equally important. Albums play a huge part in my business. A beautiful custom designed album is all part of the service that I provide.”

Not only does she exclusively use and love Queensberry’s albums, she’s a huge fan of our accessory range. In fact she says it’s very rare for her not to sell at least two digital copy albums from every wedding.

Suzanne also makes use of Queensberry’s print and assembly service as she works on her own. “It leaves me with more time to be out shooting or marketing my business,” she says.

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Innovation

Digital Copies aren’t the only accessory album that Suzanne uses though. With a bit of creative thinking, Suzanne uses another product from our accessory range to get her photos in front of guests at weddings.

“I wanted a product that would show off my images at the actual wedding to all the guests. I decided that Queensberry’s Demi albums would be perfect to showcase a selected number of images the couple chose from their engagement shoot. I get those images made up into a Demi album that guests can sign at the wedding – and my images get exposure.”

Suzanne was the first client to come up with the idea and unsurprisingly, it’s caught on with plenty more clients since.

Last Words?

Tell us what you consider your top three keys to success?

“Know your clients. Recognise that an exisiting client is far easier to market to than a new one. And have a positive attitude – don’t listen to all the doom and gloom out there!”

Her final thoughts summed up her approach to business, and life, really well I thought…

“We’ve come through some recent years where work has been easy to find. I think it will have made quite a few people complacent. As I’ve said before attitude is key, and I look forward to the challenges the next few years bring.”

Cheers, Nigel

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    I just made a couple of new friends, Jeff and Erin Youngren from San Diego… And it took all of a couple of minutes.

    Stephen and Danny first met these guys at WPPI in Vegas, and we’ve been in touch ever since. You may remember our post about their new website and promo video so I asked them to share some of their experiences around online marketing, business and their album strategy.  But it was their philosophy, not only to business, but to life, that dominated the conversation.

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    Let’s be friends

    Jeff and Erin had just returned from a holiday to Walt Disney World in Orlando, Florida, with past clients of theirs when we spoke. That’s pretty normal they reckon.

    “We are very much driven by relationships and we love the relationships we build with our clients. We could probably count on one hand the number of clients we’re not still in regular contact with.”

    Jeff and Erin have built their entire business on referrals and photograph a maximum of 20 weddings each year, leaving them more time to invest in getting to know couples before their weddings. So what’s the benefit?

    “We’re in this for the relationships … When couples initially come to meet us it’s almost like an interview for a friendship. We don’t just want a business arrangement, we want a relationship.

    “We feel it’s also important that our clients know who we are, so they feel comfortable and relaxed, and open up in front of the camera.”

    Jeff recalled several occasions where they’d already met their clients’ families and friends before the wedding, simply because they’d become such good friends and been involved in their wider lives.

    “When the guests are expecting us or already know us, we’re seen as friends, not just photographers. That makes our job so much easier! It really allows us to be able to step back and photograph the moments as they unfold without our clients or their families even realizing we’re there. They trust us because of the relationship we’ve already built.”

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    Marketing

    Head to Jeff and Erin’s new website and you’ll land on their promo video. The idea of the video was to tell their story as photographers, and people, to potential clients within minutes of first visiting their website. They charged videographer Anton Lorimer of Lorimerworks out of San Francisco, California with capturing their personalities, and ‘getting prospective clients to feel like they know us in less than three minutes’.

    “We felt a video was the best way for couples to immediately and effectively get to know us as people and photographers. We wanted people to have a clear picture of who we are, and be drawn to us. It’s  intriguing for potential clients to see us before they see our work. It encourages them to go deeper into our website and blog and learn more about us, and our art.”

    Although working with Anton was a breeze, the website and branding was a different story. They’re over the moon with the result, but Jeff says if he had to do it all over again he’d travel a much straighter road. In other words?

    “Hire an absolute pro and spend a bit more money.

    “Things really came together when we found the designer that clicked with our vision. It definitely took a lot of work to get here, but it’s probably one of the most important things to get right.  It is integral for our brand strategy for everything to have the same feel – from the website to our blog to our business cards to our logo. We wanted everything to be really consistent.”

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    Facebook

    I knew their marketing efforts wouldn’t stop at a flashy new website and promo video, and they seemed like the Facebook type.

    “Facebook is great because it allows us to feature our work and personalities in front of a large readership and to keep reminding people of the cool things we’re up to. Lots of people don’t read blogs, and probably don’t even know what RSS is, but they’re on Facebook six hours a day.”

    Facebook really fits with Jeff and Erin’s branding. Interestingly, they interact only through their personal profiles, but for good reason.

    “We don’t have a business page or profile on Facebook. Everything comes from our personal pages. For example, when we post a gallery of a recent wedding, it’s on our personal page. We’re very conscious of crossing the line between personal and commercial interactions. Having personal profiles allows us to be seen as photographers sharing their photography life and images, rather than marketing our business. People know when they’re being marketed to, and we really want to avoid giving that feeling.”

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    Being yourself

    Erin says that the key to developing your online personality is to always be authentic.

    “No matter what medium you choose to engage in, you have to be yourself. Your customers crave authenticity and can spot a fake in an instant. It’s more important than ever to do your best to find out what’s remarkable about you and your style, and then find a way to tell everybody in a real, authentic way.”

    Jeff has some simple but good advice about finding yourself as a photographer and defining your shooting style.

    “You’ve just got to go out there and shoot, shoot, shoot, in order to develop your photographic style. A friend of mine told me you need to shoot over 100,000 images to discover what that style is. If you haven’t broken a shutter on your camera, you haven’t found your style yet!”

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    Albums

    As Queensberry newbies, Jeff and Erin are in the process of developing new album offerings that will become a major focus of their business.

    “Albums are extremely central to the transition we’re going through right now. Previously we were offering the same types of albums we knew our competitors were also offering, but we’ve realized we can use the album to separate us from our competitors.

    “We want to create albums that simply blow people away and we want them to feel expensive and valuable. Our quest for the perfect fit eventually led us to Queensberry.”

    I like the analogy Jeff uses to explain the album options they’re planning to offer their clients.

    “We look at Queensberry albums as the Mercedes Benz of the industry, and we want to treat our albums like cars in a showroom. When you go into a Benz dealer, there’s only a couple of models, but they’re the best you can get!

    “They’re all fully loaded with the latest gadgets and everything in them is of the finest quality. We want our clients to only have a few options too,  and for those options to be the best you can get. They need to feel like they’re getting something really valuable. We’ve spent a lot of time and energy developing our craft in taking photographs, and we want our albums to add to that value in a huge way.”

    The Youngrens work hard to educate their clients about the quality of their photographic work and emphasize their unwavering commitment to providing them with the absolute best customer service possible. So we’re glad they felt Queensberry fit perfectly into their story.

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    How to be successful?

    Here’s what Jeff and Erin left with me…their three tips to success:

    • Be Honest to Yourself. Figure out who you are and what makes you unique, and build your business from the start around that. Your brand is more that just your colours or logo or website. It’s much closer to the core of you than many people think.
    • Be Authentic. Once you’ve figured out who you are, resist the temptation to be something you’re not. Be confident in your uniqueness and market yourself around that.
    • Be Generous. Make your business about helping people and invest yourself into the growth of other photographers.

    Cheers, Nigel

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    Late last year Ian and I caught up with award winning photographer Bruce Gabites at his new Auckland studio. He’d just won his eighth straight Kodak Gold award  in the Wedding Album category, and we wanted to find out his secret…

    We spent a morning talking with him about why he enters photography competitions and what makes him so successful, the affect winning awards has on his business, and albums – the part they  play in his packages, and how he goes about selling them.

    To listen to our interview with Bruce Gabites click here (22 mins).

    Cheers, Nigel

    PS Bruce recently shared some good advice about dealing with complaining clients with us. Click here to read it.

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    Johannes has been posting on Queensberry Connects for several months now. It’s been great to have a regular photographer perspective, and personally we’ve found his insights and opinions inspiring.

    We asked him to contribute to our interview series by sharing his thoughts on album design.

    In the conversation, Ian asks him to expand on several posts he’s written about the benefits of getting to know your clients before the wedding, and his ”six secrets” to designing a great album…

    He also questions Johannes about how he interacts with his clients, his workflow and the part Photoshop plays.

    To listen to our interview with Johannes click here.

    And here’s an album we featured recently on Queensberry Connects.

    Cheers, Nigel

     

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  • It’s not all bad out there you know! There are plenty of people doing better than ever, even considering the recession. So over the next few weeks we’re bringing you a series of interviews with clients who are doing just great. We’ll share their advice, ideas and opinions as they give us some insights into how they’re successfully running their businesses. Here’s the first.

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    He’s been recognised as one of the world’s best photographers, serviced clients like the New York Times and Apple Computer, photographed celebrities such as Alec Baldwin, Amanda Peet, Isabella Rosselini and Donald Trump,  regularly had his work published, and he has a 19th floor New York studio. Christian Oth is about as “high” as you can get!

    So I caught up with him to ask what it’s like at the top and how he got there. He also shared his thoughts on the economy, re-branding, albums and having a full time sales person…

    No easy road to the top

    Studying at the Manhattan International School of Photography, Christian started out with no plans but lots of ideas. All he knew was that he wanted to invent something new and different.

    “There’s no easy road to the top” he told me. “I tried my hand at everything from fashion to commercial to war photography before finding my niche in wedding photography. It was those hard times when I was struggling to pay the bills that enabled me to take those experiences and merge them into something different.”

    His business seemed to grow organically as he continued to gain recognition, eventually finding himself at the top end of the market. It was then he realised he had  ”quite a title to live up to”, so he shifted his focus to work harder on quality in every possible way; not only the photography, but also the client experience.

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    “The main thing that saved me from going down the same road as more traditional photographers was to challenge the conventions of the time and come up with something new. I guess I was kind of arrogant about it initially, but my clients loved the attitude and were thirsting for someone to do things differently.”

    What drove him at the beginning is still prevalent in his approach today…

    “In many ways I’m still a loner – I still don’t like to listen to any popular attitudes about wedding photography, but a few of my ideas worked really well and we expanded on them.”

    Reputation matters

    He counts much of his success to his reputation. In fact, he told me he considers his reputation to be his position of strength right now during the recession. “The most important and useful thing any photographer can do is to build their reputation.

    “Protect it hard, work on it every day, and never destroy it. It can take years to build and a day to destroy.”

    Christian was given a helping hand when PDN named him one of the top 15 photographers in 2003 and published one of his wedding images on the cover in 2004. From there things snowballed – his reputation grew quickly as he was soon being published by the likes of the New York Times, Town & Country and Vogue.  Then in 2007, American Photo named him one of the top 10 wedding photographers in the world, raising his profile rapidly.

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    He says, “Developing relationships with publications and nowadays blogs, is a great way to get your work, and your name, out into the wider public arena. Every photographer should be trying to get their work published – it’s free advertising. People who are looking for a photographer do read photo credits.”

    Building your brand

    Stressing the importance of building your business in tune with your clientele, he talks about his own recent experience of rebranding his business for that exact reason. “Put yourself in their shoes and ask yourself who are they, what do they like, what stores do they frequent? Create your ideal client and design your business/branding around that sample person.”

    Christian’s rebranding project included a totally redesigned logo, new name and new website. Only two months after the new brand was launched, he saw his bookings increase three-fold.

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    Client experience

    Christian has a full-time sales person, a studio manager, three photo editors, a designer and digital tech staff. He says having someone dedicated fully to looking after his clients has had a huge impact on building his studio. “Being at the top end of the market I have to act accordingly. These top level clients are used to receiving superior service wherever they go…and it’s no different when they come to us.” Christian says his new sales person has also played a major role in the increase in his bookings.

    Offering quality products

    With that strong focus on the quality of the photography and client experience, the products Christian offers must naturally be of the same superior quality. Choosing Queensberry was a matter of trial and error. He initially tried several different album companies but settled on Queensberry because of the consistent quality and positive response from his upscale clientele.

    So any last advice Christian? “You’re an artist, you’re in business, so find a way to create a balance between the two.”

    Check out Christian’s new website and portfolio here

    Cheers, Nigel

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    The New Year is a great time to stop, take a look around, absorb what you’ve achieved, and focus on what the year ahead offers.

    I’ve just done the absorb bit. Gone back and had a look at what we’ve posted over the past year. I found some really great stuff I’d forgotten about! No doubt you’ve forgotten or missed some of these posts too so over the next few days we’ll bring you our favourite posts of 2008. 

    There’s not much of a criteria – just posts that really stood out to us. I hope they do to you too.

    We’ll start by engaging your senses. Today we’ve picked a couple of really interesting interviews, and two gorgeous albums we featured last year. Enjoy.

    • Red and white all over - Matt and Enna of Grazier Photography reflected the details of this wedding in a stunning red and white album.
    • Wedding venues, valued partners - Relationships with local wedding venues are a great way to build a strong wedding and portrait business. This beautiful album by Simon Whitten rests on the piano in the drawing room of  the luxury castle hotel Swinton Park in Yorkshire.

    Tomorrow we’ll have the top tips, how-to’s and marketing posts of 2008.

    See you then

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    My interview with Rod Ellmore talked about how the close partnership between photographers and vendors in the ’70s and ’80s helped build some great careers, but it wasn’t all positive.

    One disadvantage was that marketing gimmicks picked up at seminars organised by the vendors propagated like viruses! Like this one – the notorious “couple in the brandy glass”.

    Pam brought us a picture (left) from her brother Martin’s 80s wedding to Simone (thanks for sharing!). And I found proof that tacky ideas live on in Photoshop.

    Now you know I’m a snob – but not as much as I used to be:

    • There’s nothing wrong with tack, just unoriginal tack (yes, I loved The Wedding Singer)
    • Unfortunately, tackiness hides real quality, at least from people like me.

    For example in the seventies I was listening to Neil Young, The Band, Dylan, Van Morrison, Joni Mitchell et al. Also Linda Ronstadt (but only because she sang Warren Zevon songs). Never Abba! It took Priscilla Queen of the Desert, Muriel’s Wedding and now Mamma Mia to prove their songs have great bones. And when you go back and look they actually played it pretty straight, at least in this clip. They just didn’t look like my heroes:

    It’s easy to laugh at older bad taste, but the newer stuff isn’t as easy to spot.

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  • Rod Ellmore survived a few revolutions in his 46-year career…

    • From black and white to colour
    • From medium format to 35mm (how he loved his Hasselblad), and
    • From film to digital (a bridge too far).

    Today Rod and Ian discuss the growing informality of wedding photography, photojournalism, fashions and fads in the ’70s (so much easier to mock than our own) and “quality above all else”. Do you have what it takes for a 40-year career?

    Click here to download the mp3 file (6.5 mins).

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    Rodney Ellmore, a good friend and long time Queensberry client, enjoyed a distinguished 46-year career.

    Over lunch recently I asked him about the shift from black-and-white to colour photography that transformed the portrait and wedding industry. Profitable careers were built on strong partnerships between a generation of photographers and their vendors.

    I believe there are lessons here for our own tumultuous times.

    Click here to download the mp3 file (6.5 mins).

    Cheers, Ian

    PS How did Rod “keep us honest”? If we were ever unsure of something, we’d ask ourselves, “Is it good enough for Rod?” Every business needs such good-humoured, supportive, demanding clients. And to listen to them.

    I shot the picture on my iPhone. Rod says he likes the back-lighting but I’m sure he’s being kind.

     

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