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Andrew Gardner posted a thoughtful comment on a recent post of mine in which I talked about a member of the public asking if I would sell her a Queensberry album. He’s concerned that Queensberry’s aim to build their brand amongst brides might turn the albums into a commodity and encourage discounting (eg “click here for cheapest QBY albums!”) His thoughts probably reflect the concerns of many photographers. He says,

Obviously we can’t be complacent and we should always be thinking of unique and original ways to make ourselves stand out. But I have a niggling feeling that what Queensberry thought would help us out will actually work against us.

Certainly the request I received smacks of a search for a commodity. It is the inevitable outcome of the Shoot and Burn mentality where brides end up with files and nowhere to put them.

It is up to us to make the difference. Yes the Queensberry album is wonderful, but it is the story told within its pages that makes the difference.

The importance of the story can never be overemphasised. Like a Queensberry, a Moleskine is a lovely book of empty pages until you start writing truths in it … that’s when it becomes something personal, valuable, and meaningful.

When people come to you as a photographer it is because you are what they are looking for. If Queensberry has done its job right your potential client will recognise your use of Queensberry products as a mark of excellence.

As the channel by which one must purchase a Queensberry product photographers have the opportunity to impact the outcome of that purchase by adding their own influence. We are dealing with that situation ourselves with somebody who had a commercial photographer friend shoot their wedding. They wanted a Queensberry album but their friend washed his hands of any responsibility beyond handing over the files.

Nobody can stop the bride from hunting down the best price … we certainly know that brides do the same when trying to get a photographer. This part of human nature will always surface. Resourceful brides are inevitable and if they consider the album a commodity – and possibly also the photographer who handed them their digital files – at that point we, rather than Queensberry, are in control of the situation.

The sad truth is that there will also always be a ‘resourceful’ photographer willing to turn Queensberry products into commodities. But I understand that Queensberry does not look on that behaviour favourably. It is in their interest to look after you, the channel, because without you they are just a good looking, but storyless, book seller.

Cheers, Johannes

 

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    Press books – I agree with everything you say. At Focus I had a great conversation with Danny who suggested that ‘everyone’ did digital, ie it was commonplace with suppliers but that Duos were the really unique albums. I agree. Aren’t QBY digital albums really just a fancier, more expensive press-book? Again, that’s not meant to be insulting, I’m just trying to add to the conversation. FWIW, I’ve stopped offering digital albums (other than mini copies) and will move to a Duo only offering for next season.

    No offence taken. I love our digital albums, and so do many of our clients. I believe ours are as good as they get and I don’t think either of us intends to belittle them. But as one of my favourite marketing books, Differentiate or Die, says, you can’t win on “quality”. On that basis Hyundai probably beats Alfa Romeo, but we all know it’s not that simple. Quality doesn’t differentiate. It’s necessary but not sufficient.

    I’m not trying to talk you out of your decision but if I ran a studio I would probably include a digital album (flushmount for the visitors) and I would think seriously about press-books too. But I would not want them to define me.

    I used to say in seminars, “If you can’t think of five things that differentiate you there is probably only one – price.”

    Cheers, Ian

     

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  • I got an email from Mark Miller today, and he’s happy for me to share it and comment.

    I wanted to let you know how much I’ve been enjoying Queensberry Connects lately, specifically the posts about how QBY albums differentiate us as photographers from our competition and the idea that press-books are everywhere. I have a couple of comments/questions that I hope might add to the conversation:

    1. QBY albums differentiate us as photographers – my clients love my (your) albums but they don’t know who Queensberry are (I tell them all about you ‘You’re the best in the World’ etc), but I don’t think they really care too much about the album brand. In the last 3 or 4 years I’ve only ever been asked once by a prospect if I use Queensberry albums. So my question is, “Should Queensberry be doing more to promote the brand with Brides?” Please understand, I’m not saying you should, I just wondered how that idea fitted into the ‘differentiation’ concept.

    That’s a great thought and I’m glad you raised it, but I think I’ll pass…

    OK, three comments ;)

      1. Name recognition isn’t vital, I guess. The key moment is when the prospect walks in, sees something awesome they’ve never seen before, and thinks, “Wow”.
      2. Laphroaig, Hermes, Moleskine, Prada, Lexus, Apple, Mac (make-up) – I’m picking some of the brands Heather and I like – don’t just advertise to retailers, they advertise to us. To drive business to the retailers.
      3. But the thought of an album company promoting to “the brides” makes a lot of photographers nervous. I guess it’s a (lack of) trust thing.

      More from Mark tomorrow

      Cheers, Ian

       

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    4. When people contact us about their wedding, if they are doing a general search, they most often ask, ‘How much to shoot our wedding?’

      Eventually they get around to ‘What do I get?’ and finally ‘Are you available?’

      This email just came in. It says it all really.

      To whom it may concern,

      Would it be possible to be sent a full price list of your wedding packages?

      Thanks,
      Justin

      We all want our clients to care, because it is the caring that makes them better clients.

      So what are we selling?

      Are we selling a product at a price?

      Are we selling our ability to make great photographs?

      Are we selling our ability as a digital artist?

      Are we selling our ability to tell a good story  (the one where the Princess wore white and the Prince was dashing – off to a wedding) and somewhere there is a happy ever after?

      Here at Moda we are selling something for them to care about.

      We are selling them more than just photography.

      We have photographs that show our skills.

      We have stories that talk about our experiences.

      We have albums that show our ability to put together a good fairy tale.

      We have a studio that reflects our attention to our clients’ needs and our drive to be our best.

      We are not selling 400 images in a box, two enlargements and an album with 20 sides.

      We are selling them an experience.

      How much should that cost?

      The next question is how do we get our clients to recognise that?

      Cheers, Johannes

       

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    8. My last post said that press books are great but they’re everywhere. “And that’s the problem.”

      Someone here was a bit concerned about me saying that. “Won’t it put you offside with a lot of photographers?”

      Maybe. Although if you disagree I hope it’s something to think about rather than get upset about.

      But the fact that many people do disagree is a good thing, at least for us and our clients.

      If our albums were everywhere they’d have no value. To you or to us. For example see the comments here.

      Does presenting your imagery in press books trumpet your high-end quality to the market? I don’t think so.

      What we say to prospective clients is, “Do you get it?”

      Everyone who doesn’t get it is an opportunity for everyone who does.

      Cheers, Ian

      PS And would our staff rather be machine operators than artisans? I don’t think so.

       

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      It’s hard to compete … We’ve seen a massive influx of photographers from Eastern Europe charging very low prices and supplying reasonable products.

      I understood the impact of this EU “migration” in British hotels and restaurants, but I honestly hadn’t thought about the impact on photographers (Jo and Kirsten will be shaking their heads!).

      Even so I feel that this kind of competition is always with us … in one form or other.

      The purpose of outstanding presentation is to add value to your photography. That’s why, whoever you use, your albums must help you stand out in the market.

      If you can’t think of five reasons why people should choose you, there’s probably only one: you’re cheap. Said differently, differentiate or drop your prices.

      But here’s the thing: if you agree with that sentiment, you’ve ruled out most suppliers in the market.

      Two final thoughts… If you’re interested I posted a series of emails early this year on dealing with the recession and album-based marketing.

      And as my last post demonstrated, QBY has exactly the same challenge.

      Cheers, Ian

      PS Comments invited!

       

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      Changing to Queensberry is like changing my Ford Focus for a top range Audi … Not sure many people are going to cope with that.

      Depends what you mean by “many”. But certainly we never expect most people to choose Queensberry. Products that differentiate need to be aspirational (ie more people want them than can have them). That applies to your own “products” too, of course.

      In business, rather than ask how much something costs, it’s useful sometimes to ask how much it’s worth. And how it positions you in your market.

      There were 42 album companies at Focus this year … something must be going right for them all.

      Not necessarily. There used to be dozens of little oil companies, car companies and computer companies too. Right now the barriers to entry for digital book companies are very low. Things will get shaken out. And you didn’t even mention the very cheap press books you can buy from Apple and goodness knows where else.

      Many of the old UK companies make a very good living from supplying their legacy products.

      It didn’t pan out for Spicer Hallfield. My post was simply to suggest that you think twice before hitching your wagon to products or companies that may be in a long, slow decline.

      Cheers, Ian

      PS Comments invited!

       

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    20. Prompted by the unfortunate demise of Spicer Hallfield, which was once the UK’s foremost album manufacturer, I emailed our list in the UK yesterday. The gist of my message was that their ex customers should think twice before choosing a replacement supplier – especially if their gut reaction was to look for someone offering a similar product at a similar price.

      My email generated quite a lot of enquiries for Sonya’s team, plus some feedback that I thought I’d discuss over the next few days. But let me start with the tough one…

      Someone called my email an “unbelievable bit of ambulance chasing”.

      Hmm, I’d agree if we were offering discounts to ex Spicers customers, or matching their prices for six months.

      As it is, ALL we offered was something to think about, which I’m personally happy to stand by.

      You can read what I said here. (And when we first heard the rumours, I touched on some of the same points here.)

      Cheers, Ian

      More feedback tomorrow.

       

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    23. Gerard read my posts on album marketing and asked if I recommend charging for coverage and albums separately or together. I personally think both options are viable; it’s what works for you that’s important…

      Here’s the fundamental QBY business* proposition, which you either agree with or you don’t: Queensberry albums add value.

      Display your work in them and you present your photography in a whole new context (you expect more money for it!)

      Which means you want your work in albums. You profit from the albums, and you profit from the perceived value they add. That’s why, at the time of sale, your goal is to hand the clients an awesome display sample and have them say, “Wow, how much is that?” Or words to that effect.

      So, if I’m pricing the album separately, I need to bear in mind that what clients really want to know is how much they’re spending, all-up. Obviously you shouldn’t hide that from them, but you don’t want to overstate it either. I’d certainly stress the difference between their minimum commitment (however you define that) and what they just said “Wow” to.

      If I’m pricing my coverage and the album together I’d take care not to commit the clients to a specific album (a 20-side 12×12 or whatever) because that will limit their thinking (discourage them from upgrading). That’s why a lot of studios frame the album component as a “deposit” or “credit”. I would certainly make it clear that they don’t need to make a final decision until after the wedding.

      One other thing.

      If you’re starting out , chances are you won’t be able to command the prices you eventually want to – but you absolutely must get your business headed in the right direction. An all-in price may accomplish that better because it ensures your work will be presented beautifully, and get you on that upmarket path. You’ll look great value compared with other people offering equivalent presentation – and you’ll be perceived as competing with THEM rather than with the bottom end of the market.

      To be clear, you’d expect me to say that, and it may amount to suggesting you offer albums rather cheaper than you might want to. It may not make you popular with your competitors either. But I think it’s good advice, and no-one said that getting started was easy.

      Cheers, Ian

      * Albums are not just about business of course, any more than you’re in photography just for the money. The nice thing about our industry is that most of us love what we do.

       

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    27. First, a big thank you for the feedback we’ve been getting (BTW, interesting how much of it comes off-line!). A long-time Aussie friend phoned me and said that posts about increasing your sales by pre-designing in PJ were all very well, but he was having trouble getting the booking in the first place! A mate of his, a top-flight photographer, told him that if he could get a couple of thousand for the image files on DVD he should take it and be grateful. He decided to try that tack with a well-heeled lady enquirer … and the most she would pay was $1500. He turned her down.

      OK, this is life in the real world.

      Reality #1: Go back to my post about how much you need to charge. 2000 Aussie dollars is probably not going to sustain your business unless you can shoot a LOT more jobs. On the other hand, as my Dad used to say, it’s a lot better than a poke in the eye with a blunt stick … and like those airline seats, your Saturday is valueless if you don’t use it.

      Reality #2: If you become known as the guy who gives them the image files I reckon you’re done. Now you’re lined up against all the weekend warriors who’ll do it for a few hundred. My friend is rightly proud of his photography. Financially and professionally that’s a really bad place to be.

      What to do? First, don’t listen to me. Well listen critically anyway! You need to respond to your own situation, your own numbers, your own psychology. But a few thoughts.

      1. Most of my friend’s weddings are from out of town. His chances of meeting clients are little or none. His website reflects his good taste, but I can see very little photography and no albums. Nigel would say, “You need a blog.” I agree, and I would display all the albums I sell on it, maybe the way we do here. Alternatively, Steve Sharp is one of New Zealand’s top professionals and he told us how he did it here.

      2. My friend sells a QBY album with every package. But that album is expensive, and maybe it should be an up-sell. You have no idea how it hurts me to say this (!) but many of our clients offer a cheaper album alternative, or offer packages with no album at all. Have you read my articles on album marketing strategies, especially the one on entry-level packages (please contact Nigel for a URL and password)?

      3. The airlines offer cheap seats when the plane’s empty. If Air New Zealand think they can sell a seat for full price you won’t see it on grabaseat. Maybe there’s a lesson there. Maybe you’ll only take bookings for certain packages a few months before the date, so you don’t sell your Saturday below budget unnecessarily.

      4. Remember you have two bites at the cherry, pre-wedding and post-wedding. Just because her limit was $1500 pre-wedding doesn’t mean she won’t be prepared to spend more afterwards. But will you get the up-sell if you’ve already given her the crown jewels for $1500?

      More questions than answers here, maybe, but something to chew on I hope.

      Cheers, Ian

       

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